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greetings citizens and welcome to

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I'm Jason McClellan I'm here with

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Maureen Elsberry Shane herd and Ryan

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Sprague thanks for hanging out with us

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unidentified the new UFO show on the

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History Channel brought to us by mr. Tom

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DeLonge and his team at to the stars

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Academy premiered on Friday May 31st as

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we did with history show Project Blue

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Book we're going to be recapping every

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episode of unidentified each week will

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essentially provide an overview of the

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episode followed by our individual

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thoughts and opinions so let's get

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things rolling

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first Shane is going to provide us with

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the brief overview so Shane go ahead

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alright thank you so in December of 2017

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the New York Times published a stunning

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front-page expose about the Pentagon's

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mysterious UFO program called the

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advanced aerospace threat identification

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program or a tip featuring an interview

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with a former military intelligence

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official and Special Agent in Charge

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Lewis Allison doe who confirm the

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existence of the hidden government

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program the controversial story was a

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focus of worldwide attention previously

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run by Elizondo a tip was created to

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research and investigate unidentified

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aerial phenomena or UAP including

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numerous videos of reported encounters

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three of which were released to a

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shocked public in 2017

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Elizondo resigned after with expressing

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of the Gummer government that these u

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aps could pose a major threat to our

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national security and not enough was

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being done to deal with them or address

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our potential vulnerabilities now as a

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part of history's groundbreaking new

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six-part one-hour limited series

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unidentified inside America's UFO

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investigation Elizondo is speaking out

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for the first time with Tom DeLonge

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co-founder and president of to the stars

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Academy of Arts and Science and Chris

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Mellon former deputy assistant secretary

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of defense and intelligence to expose a

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series of startling encounters and

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embark on a fascinating new

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investigation that will urge the public

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to ask questions and look for answers

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the series will reveal newly

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authenticated evidence and footage

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interviews from eyewitnesses and former

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military personnel who have never spoken

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out before and finally extensive

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breakthroughs in understanding the

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technology behind these unknown

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phenomena in our skies that's it well

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that sounds pretty exciting and

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you know that's certainly something we

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got a huge taste of in Episode one

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Episode one really laid the groundwork

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of all that sort of briefly explaining

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to us a tip and that's going to unfold

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more in coming episodes but really I

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think what we saw primarily in this

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first episode it focused on the nimitz

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tic-tac UFO encounter that we've heard

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so much about the past couple years and

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has happened in 2004 and the episode

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focused mostly on commander flavor right

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yeah yeah mostly commander flavor which

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you know a lot of us in the know have

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heard his story he's all over the news

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when the article first broken the New

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it for me the most awesome thing about

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this episode was this sort of new

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witness that came a little out of the

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shadows they were made in the shadow

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it's in the episode but yeah pretty cool

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pilot yeah yeah yeah yeah that was

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awesome what I thought about her

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testimony really was you know the the

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emotions that she showed behind it I

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mean you know you had flavor who's sort

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of the the ace and the really

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experienced guy I think this was like

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one of her first first missions or

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whatever and you know her perspective

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was wow this is pretty startling and you

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recounting of her story so I thought

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that really added some you know interest

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to the program that's got to kind of

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ruin your career for the rest of all

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time is one of your first junior

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missions you see something so incredible

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and she still I think she's still

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climbing the ranks too in the Navy so

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for her to come forward with this and

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like the potential for her getting named

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at some point or leaked like that's a

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big risk she's taking for sure yeah and

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you can definitely see that in the

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to portray just how big of a deal her

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testimony was and how pertinent it is

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that nobody reveals her name I know Lois

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even mention female pilot her name with

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in emails correspondence to each other

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just say wingman pilot mm-hmm

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let's call it good there and I think

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that that's definitely as we've seen in

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the past couple years with all these

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wiki leaks and Tom DeLonge email address

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getting leaked just how important it is

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to stay covert in correspondence in

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regards to stuff not getting leaked to

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the public oh yeah good point here's

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wingman pilot though that you know is

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the likely scenario here because of

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who's doing this show because of their

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connections because they're trying to do

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everything on the up and up it's my

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opinion that you know certainly they

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have the full permission of the Navy for

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the wingmen pilot to participate because

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for an active-duty service person to

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participate in a production like this

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they have to get the OK from the DoD or

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from the Navy or whoever is that

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permission giver so they've got to get

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the permission first of all second of

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all I mean they don't really hide her

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identity that well and there weren't

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sure her identity for the people who

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your silhouette they didn't hide or hide

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or disguise your voice so it's most

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likely people are going to know if they

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don't already know who that pilot is

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identification very well it's always

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pretty visible who the person is right

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because like they want you to figure it

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this episode I feel we know how TV works

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too right I mean TVs got to be

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entertaining and this is a mysterious

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dramatic show so you know it's going to

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have some of those elements in it and

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perfectly fine with me but again I don't

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like in secret so oh I don't want my

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superiors to find out I'm pretty sure

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she has full permission to participate

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in the show yeah and we've all had

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knowledge of her to some degree you know

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for a while but it was kind of cool that

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the show was able to you know present

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her and her story and you know it not

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that it was new but it was it did add a

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the story especially again with her you

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know her other perspective you know she

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than flavors so I just thought that if

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story I think that's a good point is we

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having various perspectives like you

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really strengthens the Capon that this

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was something really weird and anomalous

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and there were various perspectives on

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seeing the object disappear when it did

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something really strange and I think

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that with all the news articles that are

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varying opinions and the you know social

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media everyone's at war with each other

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about every little detail going on

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having various perspectives of this is

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extremely important I don't know if

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anybody watched Jeremy corbels interview

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he posted yesterday from the McMenamin

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UFO festival with trevore which is I

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think a really good perspective hearing

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a full testimony of like a play-by-play

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of what happened that day and you know

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getting a brief clip of that and a brief

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important parts for the general public

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here all sides yeah yeah I think even

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course when you have multiple witnesses

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that strengthens the case and what I was

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kind of interested in was that you know

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in flavor they you know they got on

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scene and he dropped down to try and get

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a closer look at this thing but her she

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and her was oh they lingered like at

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20,000 feet and we're watching from

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above so flavor had the perspective of

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that thing even shooting across the nose

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of his plane while she was up above and

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witnessed this whole thing so it's you

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know confirmation of the you know actual

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sighting and from two different

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locations at the same moment you know

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that that's pretty powerful

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investigative meet to get your teeth

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into including the radar operators on

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the on the carriers to I mean they they

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were in communication with the pilots

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the whole time and they were catching

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stuff on radar so you have even more

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good case it is a good case and and

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there's still so much more coming out

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about it you know is causing a lot of

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journalism you know journalists are

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following this story reaching out

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finding new new elements of the story we

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haven't heard before tie the rug away

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for the drive is is doing some great

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stuff getting into some of the technical

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aspects of these radar systems that were

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in use at the time there so it's fun to

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watch all this unfold and and it's

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really challenging even for you know

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people who actively try to follow this

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this stuff and this case in particular

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the information is just coming out daily

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at this point so it's really fascinating

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and I think I hope anyway that people

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who watched this first episode of

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unidentified and are hearing about this

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case for the first time kind of had

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their ears perk up and wow this is this

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is fascinating I want to dive in and see

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what more information there is about

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this because there's a lot of it and you

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know what I just remembered I was kind

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of running on a tangent there and spaced

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nobody is saying that this is an

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extraterrestrial craft what people are

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saying is this is an unidentified object

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and I think that's really important with

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all these newest articles you know we're

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seeing people say oh well now the

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government admits UFOs exist well the

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UFOs have always existed it's just an

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unidentified object in the sky I mean

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that's the simple explanation however

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the whole the strengthening of this is

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people saying we're not saying this is

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extraterrestrial in nature this could be

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you know obviously some extreme tech

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we're not supposed to know about from

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another country or we need to accept the

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possibility that it is a possibility

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that this could be from outside of our

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earthly realm right so I think I think

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that's one of the most important parts

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to stress and that's bringing

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credibility back to sort of the UFO

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community in certain sectors at least is

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we're fascinated by these yes

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we also are fascinated by

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extraterrestrial life could this be that

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could it not let's find out it's not

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saying the Navy just admitted UFOs are

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alien crafts visiting earth and you know

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that's it so yeah yeah you gotta

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identify the who what and where first

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then though who and the why I said that

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right who what where and when first and

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then then the who and why will follow

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and and you brought up a good point too

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I thought that made the show good marine

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was that you could tell that Lou was

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very measured in the words that he used

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and you know it didn't look like it was

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scripted either I mean I'm sure there is

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loosely scripted but you know they would

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pose these questions to him and he could

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see them kind of at times you know his

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eyes would flicker left or right or up

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or down where he he was really choosing

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his words carefully and I think it's for

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you know the obvious reason is well I

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can't reveal anything top secret but

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more than that

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you know I have to make sure to be

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measured in a way that you know is

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credible I'm not going to speculate

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beyond what we actually know you know

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that's for other people who do this

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organization and and the the people

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involved this is you know serious as a

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heart attack and serious science is

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being done and so the doc to me was the

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tone of the show and I thought that that

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it was good for you know for UFO

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interested people and who have knowledge

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of the subject and then even from the

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perspective of a new person coming in

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and I'm not criticizing ancient aliens

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but you know that that's a whole

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different game you know that does really

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entertainment where this stands apart

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this is this is serious stuff and I

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think it came off as serious what do you

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guys think yeah absolutely Shane and I

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think you know the fact that they never

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used the word alien like once in the

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episode is very important the thing they

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did stress I think throughout the whole

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episode and you could sort of see the

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undertones of it with key words they

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were saying throughout is a national

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security threat like that seems to be a

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big running theme with where to the

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Stars is heading and elizondo's

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involvement is this could potentially be

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a national security threat so that kind

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of seemed to be the big overarching

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umbrella for me is what what are they

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trying to say with this show and you

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know with the Navy stuff and military

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and former Lockheed Martin members and

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all this stuff is is it a threat yeah

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absolutely I in fact was flavor in his

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interview he had mentioned that it

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wasn't his flight but it was the ones

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that went after him during that nimitz

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incident that there was some sort of

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jamming on their signal on their radar

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signal and you know you have like

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passive and aggressive radar jamming and

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I believe it was passive but he made

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this statement he said and it was quick

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and short but you could tell this was

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this is the military side come out he

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said jamming a radar is an act of war

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just flat out that's it that's a bomb to

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drop right there jamming is an act of

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war so from the military perspective you

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can kind of see why oh this could be a

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threat interesting yeah I didn't catch

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that Wow

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watch more carefully Ryan hey I guess

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five times wasn't enough you know what

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the first thing I noticed while watching

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this episode and this is ridiculous I'm

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being ridiculous but they actually said

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the Carl Sagan quote wrong you know

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because he said would always say you

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know extraordinary claims require

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extraordinary evidence

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and they said extraordinary proof and I

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know for a fact that that is some other

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skeptic that would say that and I don't

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know why it just like that was the first

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thing I heard same exact it means the

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same exact thing so I'm being stupid

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however it was something that like I

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immediately noticed watching the show I

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was like maybe a Sagan finally copy

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wrote it or something copyrighted it

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however you say yeah so I want to get

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into some of our individual observations

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I guess or some some additional

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commentary on some elements of this

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episode some things we saw in this

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episode but I think for me overall

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something that I was really happy to see

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presented in this episode and they

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presented well was the stigma

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surrounding UFOs and and the ridicule

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factor we heard that from the the pilot

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and certainly the wingman pilot you know

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she said like so many pilots do that she

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wasn't gonna say anything because she

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didn't want to be considered a weirdo or

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you know be laughed at and with all of

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this with the whole unidentified thing

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and all of the the media that it spawned

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all the articles we've been seeing and

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even the Navy you know changing their

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procedures it's a big push that we've

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seen now trying

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to D stigmatize the topic of UFOs and we

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saw that in the first episode and that's

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probably the thing I'm most excited

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about with this whole effort like yes

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it's good to convince or demonstrate to

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the general public that UFOs are in our

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airspace I don't know how people still

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don't understand that that is reality

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but you know I'm hoping that more people

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will understand that and look into it

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for themselves and say wow there really

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are things in our airspace that we have

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no idea what they are but also to

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further distinguish this topic so we can

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further the conversation and really

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explore UFOs the way they need to be

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explored yeah absolutely for me Jason

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the thing I love most about the show is

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we finally got to hear from Tom DeLonge

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again it's been so long since they've

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kind of given him a platformer voice and

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in his own company so they like see him

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on camera explain like how the inception

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of all of this that was really cool like

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you could just see the excitement and

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passion and I know you and Maureen have

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seen that face to face so I think for

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the audience it was really cool to

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finally hear two long talk about how

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this happened and it's still up for

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debate

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like who this aerospace person is that

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he they kind of put this all into motion

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for too long there's been a lot of like

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speculations and whatnot but that was

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pretty interesting to finally hear Tom

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say this is how this started and this is

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the path I'm taking so that was really

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cool for me I think you bring up a point

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in part point therapy too because you

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know so many people have said well is he

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a stooge you know is he being fed lies

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if he'd the public to sort of distract

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from what's really going on and I think

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you know what George Knapp came forward

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in the episode and an answer that pretty

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point Blakeley and I think with a good

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point that you know he thinks that that

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Thomas worked really hard to carve his

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own way and pathan and did it by doing

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sort of guerrilla marketing of

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high-ranking officials or so to speak

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you know knocking on doors and and

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really pushing to acquire all these

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people do we think that maybe there's

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some falsehoods that come out who knows

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but is he a complete government stooge

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no so I think that that was a good sort

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of sector of introducing Tom but at the

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same time you know they they have sort

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of had him on the back burner because

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you know there is something bigger than

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what his fame is bringing to the project

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and that's what the the whole purpose of

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the project is and I think that it's

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kind of important to not just focus on

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him so focusing on all these other

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people and kind of just bringing him in

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slightly and saying hey you know here

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he's working really hard to do this this

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is man that started this all bringing

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all these people together is an

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important way to do it and I think sets

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the basis for the show to be on a bit of

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a more streamlined path of credibility

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so to speak yeah I thought one thing he

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said was pretty cool too as is um you

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know he was talking about oh you know

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the last show I did was in front of a

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hundred thousand people and the lights

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and the pyrotechnics and all of that and

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he said you know I I I was gone for two

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years I have a daughter two years old

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you know I I just I needed a break and

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he said and this is what I thought was

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powerful he just said and the only other

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thing in my life I cared about was UFOs

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I mean I think that's actually a pretty

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good explanation of how Tom DeLonge got

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involved in this thing you know that

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kind of a person personality that he has

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I mean he came up with blink-182 as a 16

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year old kid and look what he took it -

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I mean the guy has skills right he might

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be a little rough around the corner but

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like you mentioned george knapp said he

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just used good old-fashioned shoe

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leather yeah come out doors and comment

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on the phone and email and I mean that's

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that's pretty impressive and so that's

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likely how he got his foot in the doors

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you know it was probably a timing issue

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you know people with it

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within the intelligence community

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probably looking for a way to you know

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somehow move this information out and he

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was a right guy at the right time and

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had the right resources and all of that

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so I did I just thought that was pretty

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cool yeah and you know as as Jason and I

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know from the first time we interviewed

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Tom back in 2012 and if anybody hasn't

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watched that I encourage you to go watch

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it because this was to the Stars he kind

532
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of had this website strange times which

533
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was just kind of taking articles from

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across the web strange news and putting

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it together but at the time he had not

536
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even started this project I think it was

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probably something he wanted or had an

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idea to do but you hear him talk about

539
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how much work when he was on a tour bus

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nonstop he was just like reading UFO

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book by UFO book and doing tons of

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research so it's not like all of a

543
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sudden he decided to get into UFOs it

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was he is seriously passionate about

545
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this subject and talks about it very

546
00:24:35,090 --> 00:24:30,630
seriously you know so I think that's

547
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:35,100
dividing the musician personality of you

548
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:37,170
know his really I don't know if you want

549
00:24:41,050 --> 00:24:39,570
to say crass but crass songs or

550
00:24:44,270 --> 00:24:41,060
what-have-you

551
00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:44,280
joking around yeah yeah I'm not saying

552
00:24:49,340 --> 00:24:46,350
they're you know what I mean

553
00:24:52,700 --> 00:24:49,350
but he can still talk very intelligently

554
00:24:54,980 --> 00:24:52,710
and seriously about a subject in no

555
00:24:57,770 --> 00:24:54,990
matter your opinions on him he's getting

556
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:57,780
some things done and and bringing the

557
00:25:05,900 --> 00:25:00,240
subject to the public's eye in a more

558
00:25:07,700 --> 00:25:05,910
serious light via baby steps yeah yeah

559
00:25:11,060 --> 00:25:07,710
bringing to light more than most UFO

560
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:11,070
researchers ever had so Bravo that's

561
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:13,770
right and I mean you know that that all

562
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:15,570
aside no matter what other people have

563
00:25:21,710 --> 00:25:17,850
done or continue to do it's what he's

564
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:21,720
doing and what he's doing is achieving

565
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:23,970
something so you know and that's

566
00:25:27,670 --> 00:25:25,770
something I think plenty of positive

567
00:25:30,170 --> 00:25:27,680
things are coming out of we can

568
00:25:32,169 --> 00:25:30,180
speculate all we want or get

569
00:25:34,869 --> 00:25:32,179
conspiratorial about

570
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:34,879
the quality of the information that he's

571
00:25:40,149 --> 00:25:38,240
receiving or you know the the motives of

572
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:40,159
the military participating in all of

573
00:25:47,789 --> 00:25:44,480
this but bottom line Tom's been able to

574
00:25:50,249 --> 00:25:47,799
bring this topic to the mainstream and

575
00:25:52,919 --> 00:25:50,259
generate a lot of mainstream media

576
00:25:56,169 --> 00:25:52,929
that's great we have conversations

577
00:25:59,049 --> 00:25:56,179
started we've got mainstream media

578
00:26:02,109 --> 00:25:59,059
outlets reporting on this bringing in

579
00:26:03,789 --> 00:26:02,119
experts really getting curious about the

580
00:26:06,430 --> 00:26:03,799
topic and hopefully that's starting the

581
00:26:08,739 --> 00:26:06,440
fire under people's asses and making

582
00:26:10,269 --> 00:26:08,749
them say hey didn't really think about

583
00:26:12,340 --> 00:26:10,279
this before I thought it was all silly

584
00:26:15,519 --> 00:26:12,350
science fiction but maybe there's

585
00:26:18,580 --> 00:26:15,529
something to this so I think it's all

586
00:26:20,850 --> 00:26:18,590
fantastic but back to the show guys I

587
00:26:23,499 --> 00:26:20,860
think being responsible journalists and

588
00:26:27,129 --> 00:26:23,509
looking at this show and the first

589
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:27,139
episode objectively I thought we should

590
00:26:30,519 --> 00:26:28,850
just kind of go through some of the

591
00:26:32,769 --> 00:26:30,529
things that maybe stood out to us the

592
00:26:34,930 --> 00:26:32,779
first time we watched the episode I know

593
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:34,940
some of us Ryan

594
00:26:42,850 --> 00:26:39,730
watched the episode many many times but

595
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:42,860
the so the very first thing when I

596
00:26:49,330 --> 00:26:45,049
watched the episode that jumped out to

597
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:49,340
me was when we saw Politico journalist

598
00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:52,970
Brian bender make his appearance because

599
00:27:00,430 --> 00:26:56,809
to that point we had no idea that he was

600
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:00,440
participating in this show and Brian

601
00:27:08,470 --> 00:27:04,369
bender had reported multiple times on

602
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:08,480
things related to a tip and or to the

603
00:27:15,340 --> 00:27:11,809
Stars and one certainly recently was

604
00:27:17,639 --> 00:27:15,350
about the story with the the Navy

605
00:27:22,239 --> 00:27:17,649
updating their UFO reporting procedures

606
00:27:24,129 --> 00:27:22,249
know where in these stories did he do

607
00:27:27,009 --> 00:27:24,139
the journalistic thing and drop a note

608
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,019
and say full disclosure here folks I'm

609
00:27:30,700 --> 00:27:29,600
appearing on the show that we're you

610
00:27:32,739 --> 00:27:30,710
know the deals with the subject we're

611
00:27:34,539 --> 00:27:32,749
talking about right now there wasn't it

612
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:34,549
wasn't any of that and certainly wasn't

613
00:27:38,409 --> 00:27:35,840
until the show was about to premiere

614
00:27:40,930 --> 00:27:38,419
that that he acknowledged like that he

615
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:40,940
was going to be on it but I thought that

616
00:27:45,940 --> 00:27:44,690
was a little maybe not so good when it

617
00:27:48,279 --> 00:27:45,950
comes to being a

618
00:27:50,470 --> 00:27:48,289
full disclosure journalist no and I mean

619
00:27:53,379 --> 00:27:50,480
you look at the timing of all these

620
00:27:55,409 --> 00:27:53,389
articles and there's maybe coincidence

621
00:27:59,080 --> 00:27:55,419
maybe it's press releases being

622
00:28:03,539 --> 00:27:59,090
circulated between history and all these

623
00:28:06,009 --> 00:28:03,549
news outlets to have sort of this

624
00:28:09,490 --> 00:28:06,019
unintentional but intentional promotion

625
00:28:13,299 --> 00:28:09,500
for the show for sure and yes I think

626
00:28:15,700 --> 00:28:13,309
that Brian bender should have absolutely

627
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:15,710
disclosed that he was going to be

628
00:28:20,620 --> 00:28:17,360
appearing on that show but at the same

629
00:28:23,409 --> 00:28:20,630
time you know if you're trying to write

630
00:28:28,180 --> 00:28:23,419
about a subject and be objective and you

631
00:28:30,039 --> 00:28:28,190
take that on it's that leads also people

632
00:28:31,930 --> 00:28:30,049
to maybe not take the article is

633
00:28:33,820 --> 00:28:31,940
seriously I'm not sure so I don't know

634
00:28:36,250 --> 00:28:33,830
what his motives were with that I

635
00:28:39,250 --> 00:28:36,260
haven't done too much research but I

636
00:28:43,299 --> 00:28:39,260
know that there is a lot of people

637
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:43,309
asking about the timing of the release

638
00:28:49,299 --> 00:28:47,330
of these announcements and you know in

639
00:28:57,460 --> 00:28:49,309
my opinion I'm going to be honest I

640
00:28:59,680 --> 00:28:57,470
don't really give a mean I said it but I

641
00:29:02,889 --> 00:28:59,690
said it very quietly for some reason I

642
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:02,899
swear like a sailor you know it's and

643
00:29:07,269 --> 00:29:04,490
because of that this episode will be

644
00:29:15,250 --> 00:29:07,279
tagged as explicit so the first gates

645
00:29:18,340 --> 00:29:15,260
are open no regular lis explicit but no

646
00:29:20,139 --> 00:29:18,350
I you know it's it's out there and these

647
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:20,149
are things that are happening and right

648
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:21,679
I don't care when the media tells me

649
00:29:25,810 --> 00:29:23,570
they're happening there it's happening

650
00:29:28,750 --> 00:29:25,820
look look here's the thing

651
00:29:31,210 --> 00:29:28,760
I think it's pretty much acknowledged

652
00:29:35,169 --> 00:29:31,220
that all of these articles were seeing

653
00:29:37,870 --> 00:29:35,179
are an organized effort by the product

654
00:29:39,639 --> 00:29:37,880
of to the stars and because they

655
00:29:42,220 --> 00:29:39,649
reference things that are directly tied

656
00:29:45,070 --> 00:29:42,230
to unidentified including naming the

657
00:29:46,330 --> 00:29:45,080
show itself these are and and Tom

658
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:46,340
DeLonge has publicly said I'm

659
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:47,570
responsible for all these articles

660
00:29:54,009 --> 00:29:51,679
coming out and I believe that and I

661
00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:54,019
think it's smart it's certainly you know

662
00:29:58,390 --> 00:29:55,760
Maureen and I are professional marketers

663
00:30:01,630 --> 00:29:58,400
this is what we do and this makes market

664
00:30:04,210 --> 00:30:01,640
since they because of their reach to you

665
00:30:06,580 --> 00:30:04,220
know Tom's been able to tom and company

666
00:30:09,250 --> 00:30:06,590
has been able to reach out to key

667
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:09,260
individuals and help make things happen

668
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:11,120
and when you can reach out to

669
00:30:16,450 --> 00:30:14,330
journalists at mainstream media outlets

670
00:30:19,870 --> 00:30:16,460
and say hey look here's what we have

671
00:30:21,550 --> 00:30:19,880
going on this is something that you

672
00:30:24,220 --> 00:30:21,560
might be interested in looking into I

673
00:30:26,110 --> 00:30:24,230
suggest contacting this person and then

674
00:30:28,090 --> 00:30:26,120
you get a story that way right it's not

675
00:30:30,820 --> 00:30:28,100
like the Navy issued a press release and

676
00:30:31,870 --> 00:30:30,830
sent it to all the media outlets just

677
00:30:34,210 --> 00:30:31,880
randomly it said

678
00:30:37,090 --> 00:30:34,220
attention world we're going to update

679
00:30:39,340 --> 00:30:37,100
our UFO reporting procedure that didn't

680
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:39,350
happen what happened is a journalist

681
00:30:43,900 --> 00:30:41,690
most likely a prime vendor reached out

682
00:30:46,540 --> 00:30:43,910
to the military spokespeople and said

683
00:30:49,630 --> 00:30:46,550
hey just curious about your UFO

684
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:49,640
reporting procedure and that prompts a

685
00:30:55,300 --> 00:30:52,010
response and then it becomes a story

686
00:30:57,970 --> 00:30:55,310
that's how these things work so it's not

687
00:30:59,620 --> 00:30:57,980
something that the Navy did just on its

688
00:31:03,310 --> 00:30:59,630
own because it felt like talking about

689
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:03,320
UFOs unless they have a larger role in

690
00:31:11,020 --> 00:31:06,880
this whole show that I am not aware of

691
00:31:13,150 --> 00:31:11,030
always chasing they I mean Mike Demonte

692
00:31:14,860 --> 00:31:13,160
you know did the due diligence and

693
00:31:17,410 --> 00:31:14,870
reached out to out Ralph

694
00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:17,420
Blumenthal right know the originator of

695
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:19,220
the New York Times article and he I

696
00:31:23,290 --> 00:31:21,410
think he also wrote this current near

697
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:23,300
Times article - right if I'm correct

698
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:25,490
right and you know Blumenthal himself

699
00:31:30,970 --> 00:31:27,970
says no we had no concerted effort to

700
00:31:34,510 --> 00:31:30,980
market to the Stars or anything it was

701
00:31:37,150 --> 00:31:34,520
in the timing and III but I I do

702
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:37,160
struggle with that like at least someone

703
00:31:41,770 --> 00:31:39,530
within New York Times was privy that

704
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:41,780
that clearly that the show was going to

705
00:31:46,810 --> 00:31:44,090
be coming out in a week or so and what

706
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:46,820
better time to throw another UFO article

707
00:31:51,130 --> 00:31:49,730
out there so look you're exactly right I

708
00:31:53,050 --> 00:31:51,140
mean it doesn't it doesn't mean they

709
00:31:55,090 --> 00:31:53,060
were doing it you know intentionally to

710
00:31:56,830 --> 00:31:55,100
help promote a TV show like you can you

711
00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:56,840
can say that and yes that's not the

712
00:31:59,710 --> 00:31:59,090
intent of the article and people do this

713
00:32:01,570 --> 00:31:59,720
all the time

714
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:01,580
I mean you write news stories you write

715
00:32:06,730 --> 00:32:03,530
articles because of their timeliness

716
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:06,740
there is a TV show on History Channel

717
00:32:11,769 --> 00:32:09,650
that is happening now it makes sense to

718
00:32:13,810 --> 00:32:11,779
write a story related to that we

719
00:32:16,330 --> 00:32:13,820
there's a bigger story you can you know

720
00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:16,340
make relevant to that whole thing within

721
00:32:23,049 --> 00:32:19,070
the time period that makes sense that's

722
00:32:25,330 --> 00:32:23,059
how stories are done so I I see his

723
00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:25,340
comments but at the same time that's not

724
00:32:30,519 --> 00:32:27,679
saying we weren't influenced by to the

725
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:30,529
stars yeah and it goes both ways like

726
00:32:34,959 --> 00:32:32,809
the authors of these articles win to

727
00:32:37,389 --> 00:32:34,969
that you like you said in the UFO show

728
00:32:39,580 --> 00:32:37,399
is about to go out to the mass public

729
00:32:42,129 --> 00:32:39,590
like let's get clicks on our website by

730
00:32:44,499 --> 00:32:42,139
doing a UFO story it works in tandem and

731
00:32:46,450 --> 00:32:44,509
that's how it's always been so it's not

732
00:32:49,629 --> 00:32:46,460
like this is anything new and that's how

733
00:32:52,019 --> 00:32:49,639
it's always going to be to write you

734
00:32:55,839 --> 00:32:52,029
know one thing that that kind of

735
00:32:58,749 --> 00:32:55,849
bothered me about the Navy reporting

736
00:33:01,379 --> 00:32:58,759
article is this is not the first

737
00:33:04,450 --> 00:33:01,389
official government branch that has had

738
00:33:05,919 --> 00:33:04,460
procedures for reporting UFOs that's

739
00:33:08,229 --> 00:33:05,929
been going on forever you can find

740
00:33:11,769 --> 00:33:08,239
manuals from back in the day of how to

741
00:33:13,599 --> 00:33:11,779
report that so hmm but the way it was

742
00:33:15,700 --> 00:33:13,609
presented I think a lot of public people

743
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:15,710
thought this was the first time right

744
00:33:19,810 --> 00:33:17,690
that this is happening within the

745
00:33:22,269 --> 00:33:19,820
government outside of you know that we

746
00:33:24,129 --> 00:33:22,279
had official programs investigating but

747
00:33:27,489 --> 00:33:24,139
it's how these different branches were

748
00:33:30,219 --> 00:33:27,499
to report their own sightings and as we

749
00:33:31,930 --> 00:33:30,229
know people who follow this that's the

750
00:33:35,739 --> 00:33:31,940
rub right yeah

751
00:33:38,769 --> 00:33:35,749
media outlets report things so wrong all

752
00:33:41,409 --> 00:33:38,779
the time their headlines are so wrong

753
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:41,419
all the time they present these

754
00:33:47,979 --> 00:33:44,570
incredible stories in a completely wrong

755
00:33:50,169 --> 00:33:47,989
light they they make claims that aren't

756
00:33:52,810 --> 00:33:50,179
what the story is actually stating

757
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,820
stating so we saw that so much you're

758
00:33:57,099 --> 00:33:54,320
right worrying with this Navy story

759
00:33:59,169 --> 00:33:57,109
there's so many outlets were making that

760
00:34:01,869 --> 00:33:59,179
bold claim with their headlines that

761
00:34:05,079 --> 00:34:01,879
this was the first time that anybody had

762
00:34:06,609 --> 00:34:05,089
ever done this you know ya know if you

763
00:34:08,609 --> 00:34:06,619
would even read what the whole story is

764
00:34:11,379 --> 00:34:08,619
about the Navy said that they were

765
00:34:15,639 --> 00:34:11,389
reworking their procedures which means

766
00:34:17,169 --> 00:34:15,649
they already had procedures I have a

767
00:34:21,879 --> 00:34:17,179
question for you guys

768
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:21,889
in terms of Elizondo I think bender kind

769
00:34:25,180 --> 00:34:24,529
of made a mistake in saying this in the

770
00:34:28,059 --> 00:34:25,190
show my

771
00:34:31,530 --> 00:34:28,069
personal opinion he called Elizondo a an

772
00:34:35,319 --> 00:34:31,540
enigma and that kind of that really

773
00:34:37,629 --> 00:34:35,329
rubbed me the wrong way because everyone

774
00:34:41,409 --> 00:34:37,639
right now wants to know who Lewis

775
00:34:42,909 --> 00:34:41,419
Elizondo is why he's in charge of this

776
00:34:45,700 --> 00:34:42,919
new investigation which of the stars

777
00:34:47,619 --> 00:34:45,710
Academy and just exactly like what he

778
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:47,629
has done and we did get some you know

779
00:34:51,790 --> 00:34:50,000
some experience elizondo's clearly

780
00:34:54,490 --> 00:34:51,800
worked in counterterrorism and all this

781
00:34:57,849 --> 00:34:54,500
other stuff but calling him an enigma

782
00:35:01,450 --> 00:34:57,859
that really that made me very hesitant

783
00:35:03,700 --> 00:35:01,460
to follow him on like this as our lead

784
00:35:05,819 --> 00:35:03,710
investigator or protagonists for the

785
00:35:08,470 --> 00:35:05,829
show I don't know what do you guys think

786
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:08,480
it was an odd way to paint him for sure

787
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,089
yeah it's mysterious and cool but at the

788
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:13,040
same time like there's some controversy

789
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:16,010
with ours right right it's already so so

790
00:35:20,349 --> 00:35:18,290
to come out in the show and say yeah I

791
00:35:22,329 --> 00:35:20,359
don't know what to make of this guy it's

792
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:22,339
it's weird to say that in the first

793
00:35:26,290 --> 00:35:23,930
episode yeah when like you're

794
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:26,300
introducing us to who we're going to

795
00:35:31,450 --> 00:35:29,450
trust for the rest of like the history

796
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:31,460
of to the stars economy in my opinion

797
00:35:35,470 --> 00:35:32,720
yeah I agree

798
00:35:37,720 --> 00:35:35,480
here is another thing along those lines

799
00:35:40,809 --> 00:35:37,730
so I believe it was Lew in the episode

800
00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,819
who ceded this about Chris Mellon he

801
00:35:46,210 --> 00:35:42,560
said that he was aware of who Chris

802
00:35:49,170 --> 00:35:46,220
Mellon was and he viewed Chris Mellon as

803
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:49,180
the quote guy who knows all the secrets

804
00:35:55,390 --> 00:35:52,880
so Chris Mellon here's another guy with

805
00:35:58,059 --> 00:35:55,400
to the stars now and if he's the guy who

806
00:36:02,470 --> 00:35:58,069
knows all the secrets yet Chris Mellon

807
00:36:05,140 --> 00:36:02,480
and Lou and others and other military

808
00:36:07,270 --> 00:36:05,150
people are seeing on the TV now through

809
00:36:10,420 --> 00:36:07,280
all of these medias stories that have

810
00:36:13,059 --> 00:36:10,430
come out saying that we don't know what

811
00:36:16,450 --> 00:36:13,069
these things are or we don't have any

812
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:16,460
more information you know I think a lot

813
00:36:20,349 --> 00:36:18,050
of not a lot of there are certainly

814
00:36:22,300 --> 00:36:20,359
people out there that are you know

815
00:36:25,180 --> 00:36:22,310
picking and choosing what they want to

816
00:36:28,180 --> 00:36:25,190
hear from these government or former

817
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:28,190
government individuals right I mean

818
00:36:32,380 --> 00:36:30,290
they're they're they're wanting to see

819
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:32,390
these people talking about yes UFOs

820
00:36:37,380 --> 00:36:34,330
exist is Yale

821
00:36:38,970 --> 00:36:37,390
but and and yeah they're going to give

822
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:38,980
us all the answers and disclose all the

823
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:40,960
secrets to us but at the same time these

824
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:43,570
same people are telling us directly we

825
00:36:49,109 --> 00:36:45,690
have no idea what this is

826
00:36:51,780 --> 00:36:49,119
hmm it is very contradictory for sure

827
00:36:55,050 --> 00:36:51,790
and you know like a lot of these

828
00:36:58,109 --> 00:36:55,060
investigations that we might see in

829
00:37:00,960 --> 00:36:58,119
future episodes is supposedly stuff that

830
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:00,970
a tip worked on so it's like all right

831
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:04,810
they investigated during a tip so our is

832
00:37:10,740 --> 00:37:07,690
this an continued investigation or is

833
00:37:12,690 --> 00:37:10,750
stuff still classified within a tip so

834
00:37:15,450 --> 00:37:12,700
they can't touch on it in this new

835
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:15,460
endeavor it's all really weird and

836
00:37:19,350 --> 00:37:17,710
there's so much red tape and like what

837
00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:19,360
they can do what they can't do and what

838
00:37:24,750 --> 00:37:22,750
like Mellon is saying what that was

839
00:37:26,820 --> 00:37:24,760
andhe was saying it's all very enigmatic

840
00:37:28,740 --> 00:37:26,830
I think again coming back to what they

841
00:37:33,090 --> 00:37:28,750
called Elizondo all of this is like

842
00:37:35,609 --> 00:37:33,100
wrapped in a weird weird secrecy sort of

843
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:35,619
thing so I look that that's also

844
00:37:40,590 --> 00:37:38,650
interesting too because right Lew says

845
00:37:42,420 --> 00:37:40,600
that he left his position because he was

846
00:37:44,190 --> 00:37:42,430
frustrated by the keeping this all

847
00:37:46,260 --> 00:37:44,200
secret and you know wanted people to

848
00:37:48,690 --> 00:37:46,270
know this information and wanted to like

849
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:48,700
you know get the investigations going

850
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:49,810
into all this stuff and get the

851
00:37:55,710 --> 00:37:53,050
information out but at the same time you

852
00:37:58,020 --> 00:37:55,720
know people and I don't don't think this

853
00:38:00,000 --> 00:37:58,030
argument is a valid one people are

854
00:38:01,830 --> 00:38:00,010
grumbling about to the stars you know

855
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:01,840
producing this TV show and having these

856
00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:04,240
supposed answers or information they're

857
00:38:08,820 --> 00:38:07,000
presenting it you know months and months

858
00:38:10,290 --> 00:38:08,830
and months ago when they made the TV

859
00:38:12,420 --> 00:38:10,300
show and not releasing it to the public

860
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:12,430
right that's silly I mean I think

861
00:38:15,450 --> 00:38:13,810
there's nothing wrong with putting it in

862
00:38:18,590 --> 00:38:15,460
a TV show and releasing it that way

863
00:38:22,260 --> 00:38:18,600
that's just fine but at the same time

864
00:38:24,690 --> 00:38:22,270
there's still a lot of information at

865
00:38:27,390 --> 00:38:24,700
least presentation that there is this

866
00:38:31,050 --> 00:38:27,400
secret information that they probably

867
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:31,060
hold but aren't going to release or

868
00:38:36,990 --> 00:38:33,930
can't release you know this big big

869
00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:37,000
secret window around everything I mean

870
00:38:41,849 --> 00:38:39,130
even in the show they talked about you

871
00:38:44,070 --> 00:38:41,859
know as secret senators being briefed

872
00:38:44,720 --> 00:38:44,080
off the record there's no record of this

873
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:44,730
happening

874
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:47,370
but they were briefed but we can't know

875
00:38:51,020 --> 00:38:49,290
who they were when this happened or what

876
00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:51,030
was discussed but that's not mean part

877
00:38:55,910 --> 00:38:53,670
of TV we know - yeah I mean that's

878
00:38:58,670 --> 00:38:55,920
exactly the hype alive and making the

879
00:39:01,600 --> 00:38:58,680
intrigue and mystery yeah it's just that

880
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:01,610
is what it is and personally yeah I

881
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:04,890
suspect we'll get pieces of information

882
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:07,200
and not the whole picture because like

883
00:39:11,720 --> 00:39:09,290
they said there's so many things that

884
00:39:14,330 --> 00:39:11,730
intersect with things that are still top

885
00:39:16,820 --> 00:39:14,340
clearance that you know the public can't

886
00:39:19,100 --> 00:39:16,830
know and yeah again like you said

887
00:39:20,450 --> 00:39:19,110
putting the stuff in a TV show some

888
00:39:22,340 --> 00:39:20,460
people are like why are they doing it

889
00:39:24,650 --> 00:39:22,350
that way but this is the way public

890
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:24,660
digest information in this day and age

891
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:26,850
so why not

892
00:39:31,750 --> 00:39:28,640
and then you know it's it's like

893
00:39:34,910 --> 00:39:31,760
personally I feel like looking at Mellon

894
00:39:41,570 --> 00:39:34,920
he I feel like I'm I've broken curfew

895
00:39:42,830 --> 00:39:41,580
and he's good I mean like I like I look

896
00:39:45,350 --> 00:39:42,840
at that guy and there's something about

897
00:39:47,090 --> 00:39:45,360
him where am I I don't know what what he

898
00:39:50,110 --> 00:39:47,100
is but he seems tough on crime and like

899
00:39:56,030 --> 00:39:50,120
maybe believe what he's saying yeah

900
00:39:58,580 --> 00:39:56,040
Elizondo a glance in one small clip and

901
00:40:00,680 --> 00:39:58,590
I was like whoa he either just pissed

902
00:40:03,980 --> 00:40:00,690
off Elizondo or he was telling them like

903
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:03,990
a million words in that one look it was

904
00:40:08,750 --> 00:40:06,210
it was incredible I like him he kind of

905
00:40:12,620 --> 00:40:08,760
reminds me of like someone in like an

906
00:40:15,260 --> 00:40:12,630
espionage thriller right yeah I really I

907
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:15,270
like him me too I think he's very

908
00:40:20,210 --> 00:40:17,520
credible when you look at his background

909
00:40:22,610 --> 00:40:20,220
of course Mellon you know that family

910
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:22,620
that you know for generations pretty

911
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:25,050
much built this country and then you

912
00:40:29,090 --> 00:40:26,640
know then he uses his life and the

913
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:29,100
service to his country and and then now

914
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:30,930
I'm willing to bring this information

915
00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:33,170
out I mean I think that's impressive and

916
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:36,180
he's got the coolest voice too I don't

917
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:38,130
know I thought so anyway but I find him

918
00:40:48,020 --> 00:40:40,650
very believable so we're all mesmerized

919
00:40:50,810 --> 00:40:48,030
by our yeah well I think we just started

920
00:40:56,110 --> 00:40:50,820
a Mellon fan club that's great but I'm

921
00:40:58,110 --> 00:40:56,120
also still terrified of him yeah so

922
00:41:01,590 --> 00:40:58,120
let's talk about

923
00:41:04,260 --> 00:41:01,600
the possible military involvement in

924
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:04,270
this show because that's something that

925
00:41:09,570 --> 00:41:07,330
shouldn't surprise anybody because most

926
00:41:13,110 --> 00:41:09,580
of the time not necessarily all of the

927
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,120
time but most of the time there is any

928
00:41:17,730 --> 00:41:16,000
sort of Hollywood production a TV show a

929
00:41:21,810 --> 00:41:17,740
movie a documentary anything like that

930
00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:21,820
that features the military the DoD has

931
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:23,470
to sign off on it they have to be

932
00:41:29,070 --> 00:41:26,890
involved they sort of have say and in

933
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:29,080
reviewing the script and you know making

934
00:41:34,410 --> 00:41:30,880
changes if they don't approve of how

935
00:41:35,340 --> 00:41:34,420
they're going to be presented or you

936
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:35,350
know certain things that are going to be

937
00:41:41,250 --> 00:41:38,770
said so that's certainly certainly true

938
00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:41,260
in a lot of movies we know that with

939
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:44,200
Independence Day the military refused to

940
00:41:48,180 --> 00:41:45,610
participate in that film because of

941
00:41:52,740 --> 00:41:48,190
various things one being Will Smith

942
00:41:55,020 --> 00:41:52,750
being married to a stripper and and the

943
00:41:55,620 --> 00:41:55,030
mention of area 51 and and things like

944
00:42:00,900 --> 00:41:55,630
that

945
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:00,910
going to participate the creator's

946
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:02,530
wouldn't change it so the military

947
00:42:07,290 --> 00:42:04,510
didn't participate in that film so this

948
00:42:11,850 --> 00:42:07,300
happens and there are entertainment

949
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:11,860
offices in LA I think led by the DoD

950
00:42:16,620 --> 00:42:14,890
where productions have to go through

951
00:42:20,580 --> 00:42:16,630
them and they participate and provide

952
00:42:22,770 --> 00:42:20,590
you know footage of of things or they

953
00:42:25,290 --> 00:42:22,780
actually get permission to go on ships

954
00:42:28,860 --> 00:42:25,300
and film aircraft flying and things like

955
00:42:33,390 --> 00:42:28,870
that you can't just do that and not have

956
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:33,400
their okay this is so in in the episode

957
00:42:39,060 --> 00:42:35,920
we do see a lot of a lot of Navy footage

958
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:39,070
right we see the the carrier fleet we

959
00:42:44,580 --> 00:42:42,130
see the Nimitz we see fighter planes and

960
00:42:46,770 --> 00:42:44,590
that's fine III think you can do that

961
00:42:50,070 --> 00:42:46,780
without getting any permission or going

962
00:42:53,070 --> 00:42:50,080
through duty channels because there's

963
00:42:54,900 --> 00:42:53,080
something called stock footage and you

964
00:42:56,910 --> 00:42:54,910
can get stock footage from the military

965
00:43:00,960 --> 00:42:56,920
and from other sources and use that in

966
00:43:04,110 --> 00:43:00,970
your production however we also see in

967
00:43:09,870 --> 00:43:04,120
this episode footage of commander flavor

968
00:43:11,849 --> 00:43:09,880
flying his plane so I don't know unless

969
00:43:14,609 --> 00:43:11,859
there's a really crazy stock

970
00:43:17,279 --> 00:43:14,619
analog that's got every officer from the

971
00:43:18,539 --> 00:43:17,289
military like by name that you can just

972
00:43:21,329 --> 00:43:18,549
search and I want footage of this guy

973
00:43:24,299 --> 00:43:21,339
flying his plane they probably went

974
00:43:26,819 --> 00:43:24,309
through official channels and had to get

975
00:43:29,579 --> 00:43:26,829
the okay to be able to use that footage

976
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:29,589
in this production but I mean like a lot

977
00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:31,450
of the what we're seeing in the footage

978
00:43:39,450 --> 00:43:36,880
and what we're hearing from these you

979
00:43:42,749 --> 00:43:39,460
know high ranking people and or military

980
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:42,759
or Navy officers is stuff that's already

981
00:43:48,779 --> 00:43:46,210
been Declassified it's just expanding

982
00:43:54,210 --> 00:43:48,789
more on things that are already public

983
00:43:56,249 --> 00:43:54,220
so I mean in my opinion maybe I'm just

984
00:43:59,729 --> 00:43:56,259
not surprised by anything anymore so I'm

985
00:44:01,979 --> 00:43:59,739
missing new things but you know I I

986
00:44:04,799 --> 00:44:01,989
could see them reviewing that footage in

987
00:44:06,839 --> 00:44:04,809
in what's being said and saying this is

988
00:44:10,589 --> 00:44:06,849
fine you know the public already knows

989
00:44:14,729 --> 00:44:10,599
this in some respect so we'll give the

990
00:44:17,700 --> 00:44:14,739
OK on this but I mean do I think we're

991
00:44:21,029 --> 00:44:17,710
gonna see some sort of alien body come

992
00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:21,039
out of a government lab sponsored by the

993
00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:23,200
DoD you know oh come on

994
00:44:26,430 --> 00:44:24,910
Maureen I'm holding out that's gonna pay

995
00:44:34,589 --> 00:44:26,440
now that's gonna be the final episode I

996
00:44:36,180 --> 00:44:34,599
know I'll say well the last thing I'll

997
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:36,190
say about the the Navy possible

998
00:44:42,029 --> 00:44:38,410
participation is that if you watch

999
00:44:44,190 --> 00:44:42,039
closely there is one scene where like

1000
00:44:46,769 --> 00:44:44,200
one of the camera guys is wearing a

1001
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:46,779
backwards hat and the hat is a Navy ship

1002
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:47,440
hat

1003
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:53,410
I saw subliminal things yes I I know I

1004
00:44:59,880 --> 00:44:55,930
hate guys I hate getting conspiratorial

1005
00:45:04,710 --> 00:44:59,890
but I know a this episode to me screamed

1006
00:45:08,430 --> 00:45:04,720
like NSA like national security we've

1007
00:45:10,650 --> 00:45:08,440
heard very early on that too long you

1008
00:45:12,779 --> 00:45:10,660
know he told the UFO community even like

1009
00:45:15,059 --> 00:45:12,789
read between the lines guys I'm trying

1010
00:45:17,759 --> 00:45:15,069
to get UFO information but there might

1011
00:45:20,130 --> 00:45:17,769
be a bigger agenda to all this and I'm

1012
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:20,140
starting to feel that way there were so

1013
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:23,410
much talk about Russian hacking al Qaeda

1014
00:45:25,930 --> 00:45:24,290
terror

1015
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:25,940
wrists these things could be a threat

1016
00:45:28,510 --> 00:45:27,290
we're not saying they're aliens they

1017
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:28,520
could be a threat they could be another

1018
00:45:34,540 --> 00:45:31,370
nation it just screamed military to me

1019
00:45:36,670 --> 00:45:34,550
that this is some somehow promoting this

1020
00:45:39,700 --> 00:45:36,680
idea that there is a national security

1021
00:45:41,890 --> 00:45:39,710
threat with UFOs and we have to like be

1022
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:41,900
ready for it whether that's in the air

1023
00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:46,130
or in space like who knows but I did get

1024
00:45:49,750 --> 00:45:48,470
that from this episode I did well and a

1025
00:45:52,420 --> 00:45:49,760
lot of things that the military does

1026
00:45:55,380 --> 00:45:52,430
participate in or they do essentially

1027
00:45:57,850 --> 00:45:55,390
wind up being recruiting films

1028
00:45:59,020 --> 00:45:57,860
battleship is a film I love to point to

1029
00:46:02,110 --> 00:45:59,030
you because that was just a piece of

1030
00:46:04,890 --> 00:46:02,120
crap movie but it was an alien movie yet

1031
00:46:09,460 --> 00:46:04,900
it was just an overtly just over-the-top

1032
00:46:12,310 --> 00:46:09,470
Navy Recruiting film um Top Gun - yeah

1033
00:46:13,990 --> 00:46:12,320
yeah yeah and I mean their statistics

1034
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:14,000
show that after Top Gun came out there

1035
00:46:18,910 --> 00:46:16,910
their enrollment went way up but I mean

1036
00:46:21,490 --> 00:46:18,920
this shouldn't surprise anybody if this

1037
00:46:23,590 --> 00:46:21,500
is actually you know a component of all

1038
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:23,600
of this because Tom said from the start

1039
00:46:27,850 --> 00:46:25,490
like when he went in and talked to these

1040
00:46:30,550 --> 00:46:27,860
people that's something that he was

1041
00:46:34,240 --> 00:46:30,560
telling them he said I want to change

1042
00:46:36,820 --> 00:46:34,250
the public's view of the military with

1043
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:36,830
regards to UFOs the military is viewed

1044
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:38,720
as the bad guys and I want to change

1045
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:41,330
that yeah yeah he's been saying it from

1046
00:46:45,010 --> 00:46:43,130
the start so like if that's what this

1047
00:46:47,350 --> 00:46:45,020
all boils down to like people should not

1048
00:46:49,690 --> 00:46:47,360
be upset when they realize like this

1049
00:46:52,300 --> 00:46:49,700
isn't just about you know finding little

1050
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:52,310
green men or solving the UFO enigma it's

1051
00:46:59,230 --> 00:46:54,890
is this a threat and what can our

1052
00:47:02,860 --> 00:46:59,240
military do to stop it so I yeah and

1053
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:02,870
again it goes back to you know what the

1054
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:05,450
last 70 years and the stonewalling that

1055
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:09,170
we've got from from the military and you

1056
00:47:14,650 --> 00:47:11,690
know I what stands out to me too is the

1057
00:47:16,720 --> 00:47:14,660
deafening silence from the Air Force why

1058
00:47:18,580 --> 00:47:16,730
is this all Navy now never heard from

1059
00:47:22,150 --> 00:47:18,590
the Navy before net it was all there for

1060
00:47:24,940 --> 00:47:22,160
now you're hearing nothing I mean ask

1061
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:31,540
that's season two they had Project Blue

1062
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:34,010
Book that's right double the show so we

1063
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:36,290
asked where the Marines is where's the

1064
00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:36,770
Marine

1065
00:47:43,090 --> 00:47:39,910
yeah I was gonna say it's like dating

1066
00:47:45,250 --> 00:47:43,100
one person to make someone else jealous

1067
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:45,260
so we're dating the Navy now now the

1068
00:47:48,970 --> 00:47:46,880
Marines are gonna get jealous and want

1069
00:47:52,270 --> 00:47:48,980
to get in on it who knows I will say

1070
00:47:56,050 --> 00:47:52,280
when Lou brings in the two former pilots

1071
00:47:57,730 --> 00:47:56,060
to review the tic-tac footage one of

1072
00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:57,740
those pilots the pilots who was the

1073
00:48:04,380 --> 00:47:58,970
fighter pilot and not the commercial

1074
00:48:08,050 --> 00:48:04,390
pilot was a former Marines pilot okay

1075
00:48:10,350 --> 00:48:08,060
interesting yeah in that Nimitz showing

1076
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:10,360
some love yeah

1077
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:13,130
the exercise that they were doing out

1078
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:15,530
there for that period of time it was

1079
00:48:20,850 --> 00:48:17,570
actually you know a good guy bad guy Red

1080
00:48:23,710 --> 00:48:20,860
Team Blue team exercise and it was the

1081
00:48:26,170 --> 00:48:23,720
Marine pilots who were the bad guys in

1082
00:48:28,780 --> 00:48:26,180
that exercise against the good guys the

1083
00:48:30,850 --> 00:48:28,790
Navy guys I mean you know there's no

1084
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:30,860
there's no doubt there's picking on the

1085
00:48:35,500 --> 00:48:33,200
Marines here fingerprints on everything

1086
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:35,510
about this I mean and how could there

1087
00:48:39,370 --> 00:48:37,250
not be because really they're the

1088
00:48:40,930 --> 00:48:39,380
holders of the information right they're

1089
00:48:42,610 --> 00:48:40,940
the ones that have the footage they're

1090
00:48:44,650 --> 00:48:42,620
the one that have the experiences you

1091
00:48:47,650 --> 00:48:44,660
know we think they're credible because

1092
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:47,660
they're their military encounters and

1093
00:48:52,030 --> 00:48:49,610
you know you know the sensors and the

1094
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:52,040
data that they have I mean to think any

1095
00:48:56,860 --> 00:48:54,530
of this is is not you know it doesn't

1096
00:48:59,110 --> 00:48:56,870
have a military finger and the PI you're

1097
00:49:02,020 --> 00:48:59,120
crazy that's what it's all about I mean

1098
00:49:05,260 --> 00:49:02,030
whether it's a you know a PR move

1099
00:49:08,140 --> 00:49:05,270
whether it's you know a genuine threat

1100
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:08,150
or are they setting us up later for some

1101
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,490
kind of you know different viewpoint of

1102
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:13,280
the military or of aliens or who we

1103
00:49:17,830 --> 00:49:15,170
don't know that yet but I mean clearly

1104
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:17,840
there's a purpose and intent behind this

1105
00:49:23,470 --> 00:49:20,930
but for now we're getting information

1106
00:49:25,690 --> 00:49:23,480
that we didn't get for 70 stinkin years

1107
00:49:28,870 --> 00:49:25,700
I mean I think that is awesome

1108
00:49:31,390 --> 00:49:28,880
whatever the motivation is that I can't

1109
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:31,400
say but take what we're getting you know

1110
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:33,920
and you know not not necessarily have to

1111
00:49:38,140 --> 00:49:36,290
be satisfied with it but I mean this is

1112
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:38,150
what's different we're you know we're

1113
00:49:41,590 --> 00:49:39,530
experiencing something that hasn't

1114
00:49:45,130 --> 00:49:41,600
happened you know since this whole thing

1115
00:49:47,950 --> 00:49:45,140
began so I mean I'm you know they've got

1116
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:47,960
my attention that's for sure yeah my

1117
00:49:52,030 --> 00:49:49,970
final thought on the on the show

1118
00:49:54,099 --> 00:49:52,040
unidentified and certainly the first

1119
00:49:57,250 --> 00:49:54,109
episode I liked it

1120
00:49:59,710 --> 00:49:57,260
I like the information presented you

1121
00:50:02,109 --> 00:49:59,720
know it's very very cool very dramatic

1122
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:02,119
and they're building us up I'm just

1123
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:04,970
super curious to see what is coming as

1124
00:50:10,540 --> 00:50:07,970
we progress in this series so I'm liking

1125
00:50:12,250 --> 00:50:10,550
it so far I will continue watching and

1126
00:50:15,550 --> 00:50:12,260
you know happy they're doing what

1127
00:50:18,580 --> 00:50:15,560
they're doing and my my ultimate

1128
00:50:20,490 --> 00:50:18,590
favorite thing maybe not my favorite

1129
00:50:24,970 --> 00:50:20,500
thing but certainly something that I

1130
00:50:27,609 --> 00:50:24,980
enjoyed seeing and hearing was that in

1131
00:50:32,620 --> 00:50:27,619
this show of course we have original

1132
00:50:34,750 --> 00:50:32,630
music by Tom DeLonge yes I don't even

1133
00:50:37,990 --> 00:50:34,760
think I noticed music I don't know what

1134
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:38,000
the hell I was doing but it's just a bed

1135
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:40,160
it's just a bed it's just instrumental

1136
00:50:45,460 --> 00:50:43,010
stuff in the bed and then in the credits

1137
00:50:47,830 --> 00:50:45,470
you'll notice that it's talking along of

1138
00:50:49,930 --> 00:50:47,840
course I'm gonna have to relook at those

1139
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:49,940
credits and see if they acknowledge the

1140
00:50:55,810 --> 00:50:52,970
military or not they did no they did not

1141
00:50:58,060 --> 00:50:55,820
they did not they did have an

1142
00:51:02,550 --> 00:50:58,070
interesting little comment that says

1143
00:51:05,530 --> 00:51:02,560
something like servicemen now report UFO

1144
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,540
report certain ly included a thing for

1145
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:07,280
for service people to report UFO

1146
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:09,770
sightings but they also included a

1147
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:12,770
comment about how like inclusions of

1148
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:15,770
some things don't mean or do not mean

1149
00:51:21,970 --> 00:51:19,010
that the DoD endorses it or something

1150
00:51:23,950 --> 00:51:21,980
like that okay yeah I think that too

1151
00:51:26,290 --> 00:51:23,960
though that that point about having that

1152
00:51:29,740 --> 00:51:26,300
little servicemen can submit UFO

1153
00:51:32,380 --> 00:51:29,750
sightings here stress is a strong

1154
00:51:36,550 --> 00:51:32,390
possibility of a second season

1155
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:36,560
right because likely the first six

1156
00:51:40,990 --> 00:51:39,170
episodes have or at least the first

1157
00:51:44,410 --> 00:51:41,000
three episodes have already been filmed

1158
00:51:45,970 --> 00:51:44,420
so at this point I'm sorry to have all

1159
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:45,980
six have been also except they've

1160
00:51:50,260 --> 00:51:47,599
already had their wrap party yeah yeah

1161
00:51:52,089 --> 00:51:50,270
yeah oh yeah that's right yeah so what

1162
00:51:54,579 --> 00:51:52,099
I'm saying basically is that's a strong

1163
00:51:57,010 --> 00:51:54,589
suggestion I'd say hey if you submit

1164
00:51:59,980 --> 00:51:57,020
enough material that we have some good

1165
00:52:03,269 --> 00:51:59,990
stuff to go off of good observation then

1166
00:52:04,739 --> 00:52:03,279
we would push forward with yeah

1167
00:52:07,289 --> 00:52:04,749
Oh Maureen that's a good point can I add

1168
00:52:08,759 --> 00:52:07,299
one more thing I saw in like the final

1169
00:52:11,999 --> 00:52:08,769
moments where they were kind of teasing

1170
00:52:14,309 --> 00:52:12,009
what comes next I caught an image of a

1171
00:52:17,069 --> 00:52:14,319
guy named Larry Gesner and it was

1172
00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:17,079
actually a UFO witness the first ever

1173
00:52:23,149 --> 00:52:19,089
witness I interviewed for open minds

1174
00:52:28,380 --> 00:52:23,159
which I know i yeah I know if Larry and

1175
00:52:30,509 --> 00:52:28,390
crazy stories yes yeah and awesome close

1176
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:30,519
encounter experience he had so to see

1177
00:52:34,919 --> 00:52:32,079
that he was interviewed for this show

1178
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:34,929
only lends more credibility I think to

1179
00:52:40,109 --> 00:52:36,729
his case so it sort of came full circle

1180
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:40,119
for me having been my first ever thing I

1181
00:52:44,459 --> 00:52:42,249
submitted to open minds and now that's

1182
00:52:44,909 --> 00:52:44,469
great to see him into the stars it's so

1183
00:52:46,949 --> 00:52:44,919
cool

1184
00:52:49,229 --> 00:52:46,959
so I look for a scene yeah yeah I think

1185
00:52:50,339 --> 00:52:49,239
this this episode premiere episode was a

1186
00:52:54,630 --> 00:52:50,349
big setup

1187
00:52:57,809 --> 00:52:54,640
so to speak it's like totally yes the

1188
00:53:00,779 --> 00:52:57,819
seriousness of sort of our pillar we

1189
00:53:02,999 --> 00:53:00,789
have here here's this awesome case we've

1190
00:53:05,189 --> 00:53:03,009
already released the footage for that

1191
00:53:08,399 --> 00:53:05,199
everyone does not know what this is

1192
00:53:10,949 --> 00:53:08,409
still and now we've got five more

1193
00:53:13,890 --> 00:53:10,959
episodes to sort of really capture the

1194
00:53:17,219 --> 00:53:13,900
public's interest so I'm intrigued at

1195
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:17,229
least a little to say the least

1196
00:53:23,130 --> 00:53:20,559
to go with it yes and we should create a

1197
00:53:27,289 --> 00:53:23,140
drinking game now and we can look for

1198
00:53:32,729 --> 00:53:27,299
any time Chris Mellon gives the look

1199
00:53:37,979 --> 00:53:32,739
every time I watch that show that was a

1200
00:53:39,689 --> 00:53:37,989
look I don't have to admit well citizens

1201
00:53:40,859 --> 00:53:39,699
as we wrap up this episode I invite you

1202
00:53:42,749 --> 00:53:40,869
to come join us in the rogue planet

1203
00:53:44,909 --> 00:53:42,759
Facebook group at facebook.com slash

1204
00:53:46,140 --> 00:53:44,919
groups slash rogue planet we'd love to

1205
00:53:48,449 --> 00:53:46,150
hear your thoughts on the premiere

1206
00:53:51,209 --> 00:53:48,459
episode of unidentified or anything else

1207
00:53:53,429 --> 00:53:51,219
ufo-related that's on your mind June has

1208
00:53:56,149 --> 00:53:53,439
finally arrived and that means we're

1209
00:53:58,949 --> 00:53:56,159
just a few weeks away from alien con la

1210
00:54:01,949 --> 00:53:58,959
Ryan and I will be speaking at alien con

1211
00:54:03,779 --> 00:54:01,959
la which takes place June 21st through

1212
00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:03,789
the 23rd at the Los Angeles Convention

1213
00:54:08,969 --> 00:54:06,640
Center in Los Angeles California let's

1214
00:54:11,579 --> 00:54:08,979
take a look at what Ryan and I will be

1215
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:11,589
up to it alien con Ryan you want to run

1216
00:54:16,569 --> 00:54:13,970
through your itinerary

1217
00:54:19,240 --> 00:54:16,579
absolutely so Friday the first day I'm

1218
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:19,250
doing a UFOs and podcasting panel with a

1219
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:22,329
bunch of other paranormal and UFO themed

1220
00:54:26,380 --> 00:54:24,800
podcasters out there so that should be a

1221
00:54:28,410 --> 00:54:26,390
lot of fun Jason we're pulling you into

1222
00:54:30,970 --> 00:54:28,420
that one whether you're like it or not

1223
00:54:32,859 --> 00:54:30,980
what else do I have I've got a live

1224
00:54:35,700 --> 00:54:32,869
recording of similar in the skies on

1225
00:54:39,309 --> 00:54:35,710
Friday and also my solo presentation

1226
00:54:41,859 --> 00:54:39,319
humanizing the alien phenomenon Saturday

1227
00:54:43,420 --> 00:54:41,869
Jason and I are doing in experience or

1228
00:54:46,359 --> 00:54:43,430
meetup which will be really cool where

1229
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:46,369
anyone and everyone can talk about

1230
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:48,970
experiences they've had in a safe place

1231
00:54:53,470 --> 00:54:51,050
also Saturday I'm doing a panel

1232
00:54:55,660 --> 00:54:53,480
discussion with my co-investigator on

1233
00:54:56,589 --> 00:54:55,670
Roswell mysteries decoded so we're going

1234
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,599
to talk about all about our

1235
00:55:03,010 --> 00:54:58,880
investigation into Roswell what comes

1236
00:55:05,050 --> 00:55:03,020
next and and all that good stuff what

1237
00:55:08,349 --> 00:55:05,060
else do we have Jason and I are doing 10

1238
00:55:10,270 --> 00:55:08,359
notable UFO events a live recording of

1239
00:55:13,809 --> 00:55:10,280
that which will be really cool a panel

1240
00:55:16,089 --> 00:55:13,819
and then Sunday is the live recording of

1241
00:55:19,750 --> 00:55:16,099
unknown so if you want to elaborate on

1242
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:19,760
what you're doing Jason yeah yeah for

1243
00:55:26,500 --> 00:55:23,530
sure so on Friday I'm going to be

1244
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:26,510
joining you for live recording of

1245
00:55:35,620 --> 00:55:28,880
somewhere in the skies and I believe

1246
00:55:39,250 --> 00:55:35,630
that we may do a theme or a topic of the

1247
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:39,260
power of witness testimony so that is a

1248
00:55:44,620 --> 00:55:42,050
great opportunity for people who in the

1249
00:55:46,900 --> 00:55:44,630
audience who want to share their stories

1250
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:46,910
with us their personal sightings or

1251
00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:49,130
encounters or anything and have those be

1252
00:55:52,210 --> 00:55:50,690
included on the show that's always fun

1253
00:55:53,140 --> 00:55:52,220
when we get the audience interaction

1254
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:53,150
there so that's going to be a good one

1255
00:55:59,980 --> 00:55:57,530
for that on Saturday morning we on an

1256
00:56:03,280 --> 00:55:59,990
interesting panel called envisioning a

1257
00:56:04,900 --> 00:56:03,290
post disclosure world and that's always

1258
00:56:07,569 --> 00:56:04,910
an interesting one it's moderated by

1259
00:56:10,900 --> 00:56:07,579
Stephen Bassett and it includes rich

1260
00:56:13,630 --> 00:56:10,910
dolan alejandro rojas and paula harris

1261
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:13,640
so that will be interesting and it

1262
00:56:18,309 --> 00:56:15,680
always pulls a big crowd people love

1263
00:56:20,829 --> 00:56:18,319
hearing about disclosure and and how

1264
00:56:24,849 --> 00:56:20,839
post disclosure so that'll happen

1265
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:24,859
saturday morning also doing so the 10

1266
00:56:28,660 --> 00:56:26,330
notable UFO events

1267
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:28,670
Ryan and I are going to cover in our

1268
00:56:33,700 --> 00:56:31,850
presentation not going to spill the

1269
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:33,710
beans on those yets because of course

1270
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:35,570
you've got to come to the lecture to

1271
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:36,170
hear that

1272
00:56:41,860 --> 00:56:38,480
way they're going to be ten notable UFO

1273
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:41,870
events from the past 20 years so we're

1274
00:56:44,590 --> 00:56:43,370
not going to be talking Roswell as much

1275
00:56:46,810 --> 00:56:44,600
as I want to talk about Roswell we're

1276
00:56:49,330 --> 00:56:46,820
not talking Roswell not talking about

1277
00:56:52,150 --> 00:56:49,340
any of these classic cases we're talking

1278
00:56:53,950 --> 00:56:52,160
about relatively new things UFO events

1279
00:56:57,370 --> 00:56:53,960
from the past 20 years so that'll be fun

1280
00:56:58,990 --> 00:56:57,380
and different something I'm looking

1281
00:57:01,480 --> 00:56:59,000
forward to this might be the most fun

1282
00:57:04,330 --> 00:57:01,490
we'll have all weekend but I'm judging

1283
00:57:08,290 --> 00:57:04,340
the costume contest on Saturday night

1284
00:57:13,020 --> 00:57:08,300
and if that weren't cool enough I get to

1285
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:16,240
the Paul Hynek and Robert Picardo are

1286
00:57:21,910 --> 00:57:18,290
going to judge the costume contest so I

1287
00:57:24,070 --> 00:57:21,920
am really excited for that and then on

1288
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:24,080
Sunday Ryan and I are going to do the

1289
00:57:30,460 --> 00:57:27,770
live recording of unknown and when we do

1290
00:57:32,830 --> 00:57:30,470
that I believe the theme we're covering

1291
00:57:36,550 --> 00:57:32,840
is something we mentioned in this show

1292
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:36,560
and that is the ridicule factor so we'll

1293
00:57:42,070 --> 00:57:40,400
certainly be talking about how you know

1294
00:57:45,700 --> 00:57:42,080
talking about the the stigmatized topic

1295
00:57:48,940 --> 00:57:45,710
of UFOs and how if at all that's been

1296
00:57:51,310 --> 00:57:48,950
changing so excited for that I hope you

1297
00:57:52,810 --> 00:57:51,320
guys can make it out to alien Con again

1298
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:52,820
Shane and Maureen will be there too

1299
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:54,890
we'll try to drag them into some stuff

1300
00:57:58,560 --> 00:57:56,690
we're gonna try to do a meet-up and

1301
00:58:01,810 --> 00:57:58,570
we'll post information about that well

1302
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:01,820
yeah but isn't isn't then we decide

1303
00:58:06,250 --> 00:58:04,010
we're gonna be doing this Friday night

1304
00:58:08,650 --> 00:58:06,260
Meetup yes yes we are and ocean

1305
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:08,660
information talking about that yet if

1306
00:58:12,790 --> 00:58:10,400
you have the information handy we can

1307
00:58:15,790 --> 00:58:12,800
certainly talk about it but what sort of

1308
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:15,800
post it on Facebook I mean it's it's sad

1309
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:17,650
we're gonna be joining a bunch of other

1310
00:58:25,990 --> 00:58:20,330
podcast groups basically the podcasting

1311
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:26,000
panel correct yeah and it will be what's

1312
00:58:30,940 --> 00:58:27,770
the name of the bar it's like a Starman

1313
00:58:33,580 --> 00:58:30,950
deleting yes thank you it's like kind of

1314
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:33,590
a geek themed bar in Hollywood bar in

1315
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:35,570
Hollywood yeah it's total star wars team

1316
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:37,530
looks rad so

1317
00:58:44,599 --> 00:58:41,450
and we will be there drinking and

1318
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:44,609
talking and hanging out so everyone

1319
00:58:49,339 --> 00:58:47,730
should meet up who's there talking about

1320
00:58:51,530 --> 00:58:49,349
UFOs yeah

1321
00:58:56,060 --> 00:58:51,540
can we expect a little bit of swearing

1322
00:58:59,570 --> 00:58:56,070
like sailors yes yes yes if anybody

1323
00:59:05,300 --> 00:58:59,580
wants to buy me a drink I will be sure

1324
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:05,310
to cuss word of choice challenge

1325
00:59:11,620 --> 00:59:06,330
accepted

1326
00:59:14,839 --> 00:59:11,630
I shouldn't set myself up for that no no

1327
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:14,849
yep too late yeah you could check out

1328
00:59:19,310 --> 00:59:17,520
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check out all his work at buckler

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Chronicles calm thanks again for hanging

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out with us today I'm Jason McClellan at

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Marine Ellsbury I'm Ryan Sprague and I'm

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Shane her do as a favor friends always

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treat the UFO subject with the cautious

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and responsible skepticism it deserves

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question everything have the courage to

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form your own opinions keep truth as the

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focus of your quest even if the truth

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conflicts with your opinions and of

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course stay strange